Comments on: Facebook – Scoble Fiasco Series: Data ownership http://krishworld.com/open-standards/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership/ imaging an open world Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:15:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 1990s Called And Wanted Their AOL Backhttp://krishworld.com/open-standards/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership//comment-page-1#comment-307 1990s Called And Wanted Their AOL Back Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:15:51 +0000 http://www.krishworld.com/blog/social-platform/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership/#comment-307 [...] problem is the lack of realization on the part of users about the ownership of their data, a fact I highlighted immediately after Robert Scoble’s Plaxo fiasco. The issue of data ownership is the most critical aspect of not just the walled gardens of social [...] [...] problem is the lack of realization on the part of users about the ownership of their data, a fact I highlighted immediately after Robert Scoble’s Plaxo fiasco. The issue of data ownership is the most critical aspect of not just the walled gardens of social [...]

]]> By: The Looming Data Warshttp://krishworld.com/open-standards/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership//comment-page-1#comment-295 The Looming Data Wars Tue, 09 Nov 2010 14:48:59 +0000 http://www.krishworld.com/blog/social-platform/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership/#comment-295 [...] the Scoble Fiasco, I wrote a post about the data ownership issue. I think Facebook realized ownership part of the issue now and is letting users download [...] [...] the Scoble Fiasco, I wrote a post about the data ownership issue. I think Facebook realized ownership part of the issue now and is letting users download [...]

]]> By: Download Your Facebook Data: I Got A Hint One Week Backhttp://krishworld.com/open-standards/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership//comment-page-1#comment-293 Download Your Facebook Data: I Got A Hint One Week Back Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:26:52 +0000 http://www.krishworld.com/blog/social-platform/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership/#comment-293 [...] highlight the importance of data portability with respect to Facebook (for which he got banned), I wrote a post arguing that users should own their own [...] [...] highlight the importance of data portability with respect to Facebook (for which he got banned), I wrote a post arguing that users should own their own [...]

]]> By: Tony Perezhttp://krishworld.com/open-standards/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership//comment-page-1#comment-218 Tony Perez Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:02:25 +0000 http://www.krishworld.com/blog/social-platform/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership/#comment-218 For the sake of conversation, I will develop another side of this issue:If you read the Facebook TOC it has the following quote right in it:"Facebook does not assert any ownership over your User Content; rather, as between us and you, subject to the rights granted to us in these Terms, you retain full ownership of all of your User Content and any intellectual property rights or other proprietary rights associated with your User Content."It also explicitly says in the TOC that you can not use robot programs to "interact with the site in any way".By accepting the TOS when you create your account you are agreeing to their usage rules. If you don't like those rules then you should not sign up.Scoble was wrong in principle. Now that he knows this, he can lobby to get the TOS changed to be more open. But as the old saying goes, "ignorance of the law is no excuse".There is nothing in the FB TOS that guarantees you the right to take your data with you. You can delete it, that is stipulated in the TOS. FB is not "required" to provide any way to export your data.It is "your" data, and you can do "anything" you want with it as long as it doesn't violate the TOS that you agreed to when you signed up for the account.I am not a FB employee, I am not a FB investor, or in any way tied to FB other than being a user.Good article,Tony For the sake of conversation, I will develop another side of this issue:If you read the Facebook TOC it has the following quote right in it:”Facebook does not assert any ownership over your User Content; rather, as between us and you, subject to the rights granted to us in these Terms, you retain full ownership of all of your User Content and any intellectual property rights or other proprietary rights associated with your User Content.”It also explicitly says in the TOC that you can not use robot programs to “interact with the site in any way”.By accepting the TOS when you create your account you are agreeing to their usage rules. If you don't like those rules then you should not sign up.Scoble was wrong in principle. Now that he knows this, he can lobby to get the TOS changed to be more open. But as the old saying goes, “ignorance of the law is no excuse”.There is nothing in the FB TOS that guarantees you the right to take your data with you. You can delete it, that is stipulated in the TOS. FB is not “required” to provide any way to export your data.It is “your” data, and you can do “anything” you want with it as long as it doesn't violate the TOS that you agreed to when you signed up for the account.I am not a FB employee, I am not a FB investor, or in any way tied to FB other than being a user.Good article,Tony

]]> By: Max Lowehttp://krishworld.com/open-standards/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership//comment-page-1#comment-217 Max Lowe Sat, 05 Jan 2008 07:55:10 +0000 http://www.krishworld.com/blog/social-platform/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership/#comment-217 Very interesting points. I think this is going to be a very interesting year for social networking. It's time people start to understand just how powerful and far reaching these tools are.Max Lowe Web 2.0 Music Marketer Read my independent music marketing blog at maxlowe.net. Very interesting points. I think this is going to be a very interesting year for social networking. It’s time people start to understand just how powerful and far reaching these tools are.

Max Lowe
Web 2.0 Music Marketer
Read my independent music marketing blog at maxlowe.net.

]]> By: Krishhttp://krishworld.com/open-standards/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership//comment-page-1#comment-215 Krish Sat, 05 Jan 2008 02:34:05 +0000 http://www.krishworld.com/blog/social-platform/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership/#comment-215 Tony,Thanks. I am going to take up the TOS claims in one of the post that follows. I will answer this in that post. Tony,

Thanks. I am going to take up the TOS claims in one of the post that follows. I will answer this in that post.

]]> By: Tony Perezhttp://krishworld.com/open-standards/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership//comment-page-1#comment-216 Tony Perez Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:05:33 +0000 http://www.krishworld.com/blog/social-platform/facebook-%e2%80%93-scoble-fiasco-series-data-ownership/#comment-216 For the sake of conversation, I will develop another side of this issue:If you read the Facebook TOC it has the following quote right in it:"Facebook does not assert any ownership over your User Content; rather, as between us and you, subject to the rights granted to us in these Terms, you retain full ownership of all of your User Content and any intellectual property rights or other proprietary rights associated with your User Content."It also explicitly says in the TOC that you can not use robot programs to "interact with the site in any way".By accepting the TOS when you create your account you are agreeing to their usage rules. If you don't like those rules then you should not sign up.Scoble was wrong in principle. Now that he knows this, he can lobby to get the TOS changed to be more open. But as the old saying goes, "ignorance of the law is no excuse".There is nothing in the FB TOS that guarantees you the right to take your data with you. You can delete it, that is stipulated in the TOS. FB is not "required" to provide any way to export your data.It is "your" data, and you can do "anything" you want with it as long as it doesn't violate the TOS that you agreed to when you signed up for the account.I am not a FB employee, I am not a FB investor, or in any way tied to FB other than being a user.Good article, Tony For the sake of conversation, I will develop another side of this issue:

If you read the Facebook TOC it has the following quote right in it:

“Facebook does not assert any ownership over your User Content; rather, as between us and you, subject to the rights granted to us in these Terms, you retain full ownership of all of your User Content and any intellectual property rights or other proprietary rights associated with your User Content.”

It also explicitly says in the TOC that you can not use robot programs to “interact with the site in any way”.

By accepting the TOS when you create your account you are agreeing to their usage rules. If you don’t like those rules then you should not sign up.

Scoble was wrong in principle. Now that he knows this, he can lobby to get the TOS changed to be more open. But as the old saying goes, “ignorance of the law is no excuse”.

There is nothing in the FB TOS that guarantees you the right to take your data with you. You can delete it, that is stipulated in the TOS. FB is not “required” to provide any way to export your data.

It is “your” data, and you can do “anything” you want with it as long as it doesn’t violate the TOS that you agreed to when you signed up for the account.

I am not a FB employee, I am not a FB investor, or in any way tied to FB other than being a user.

Good article,
Tony

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